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This is the official Dead Vanyel Party discussion post!

Whether it's your first read or your millionth, there's always something worth talking about--and rambling at length about at that. Confide in your fellow Lackey fans--who's your fave? What books do you eat up with a spoon? Does Vanyel end up as a gay Companion after the Mage Storms books? Or is he reborn as the very subtle baby herald "Vanel"? If so, does that make Stef his life-bonded companion "Tylenol", or what? And is Ma'ar REALLY dead? (No!)

Life's little questions, and we all want to talk about them.

Anon and unanon are currently allowed on this post. As of August 9, only anon posting will be allowed, in order to foster an anonny sense of anonymousness, in the vein of everyone's favorite meme ;P. The exception to the anon-only rule is the Introduction Thread, where you can introduce yourself and meet fellow players.

If you're looking for "Research Materials", join the comm and visit this post. (Subtle, right?)

From: (Anonymous)
Oh goshh I kind of want at least one of those too.

I feel weird about Vanyel with women, because even though it's canon that he's slept with women, writing gay characters with opposite sex partners is such a fraught subject in fandom and my kneejerk reaction is NOPE. But I think I'd be down for a scenario where Vanyel and Shavri have sex to make Jisa like in the books, but Randale's also involved to help Van get it up ;)
thene: Fang, Vanille and the space between them. (awakened)
From: [personal profile] thene
lol I wrote that fic already, for the excellent [ profile] gildaurel's birthday two years back. It's here, if you want to see.

writing gay characters with opposite sex partners is such a fraught subject in fandom <--this is just fandom trying to take the easy way out. I know, fandom sometimes finds things like nuance and complexity hard, but IRL people often do things that are incongruent with their sexual identities, for one reason or another. Vanyel had one of those reasons, multiple times. It doesn't bother him, and once he worked through his Shavri issues he was comfortable in his sexual identity regarding it. I don't want to ignore that bit of canon just because some people can't deal with sexuality as something other than cut-and-dried.

ETA i'm just realising this is one of my favourite things about canon: it comes out so strongly against the religious right view that sexuality is just sexual behaviour and that if gay people 'choose' to have sex with women, or be celibate, they'll stop being gay. Van refutes that so hard and I love him for it.
Edited Date: 2015-07-29 12:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I definitely agree with you in favor of nuance, and have had some personal experiences that, while incongruent with my sexual identity, were still very valuable and not something I want to deny ever happened! Vanyel's confusion in Promise was something that I didn't really understand the first time I read the books, but it really resonated years down the road.

I do think that, of all subjects for fandom to tread carefully around, this at least is a good one. Not saying it shouldn't be done ever, but it should be done carefully :)
thene: and the space is filled with stars (centuries)
From: [personal profile] thene
(I just remembered that Gilda has written Van/Shavri too, over here, in which they both spend the scene thinking about other people).

yeah - all meaningful topics in fics benefit from being done with skill, informed by personal experience, and in context with canon. Van/Shavri is canon, so I don't see how there's any treading careful to be done if people want to write about it in that canon context? (Or Van/Snowlight, etc).
Edited Date: 2015-07-29 11:05 pm (UTC)


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